If Akin stays in the race, he insures a victory for Clare McCaskle!

Only an idiot would stay in the race. Which is why he will.

Let the idiot stay in and let his constituency speak for their choice on who will represent them. Sometimes you have to realize that in the primary, you voted for a loser, and you still have a chance to correct that before any damage is done. Unfortunately here in the Chicago NW suburbs, enough people didn't get that part with Joe Walsh and it took a full term for everyone to realize what a nutjob he really is.

The polls show him going from +5 to -9 in a week. He'll petition to get out by the deadline. Then the question becomes will the court let him based on his statement and the fact that he had ample (?) time to withdraw voluntarily.

Stay in and see just how much of an arse whoopin' he will get.

When will the editors of this site show some intelligence and stop running these faux national polls? This is a local site for local issues!

He represents ALL that the new GOP has become.
No longer a party that has moderates or even TR Progressive
The new Tea Party / Bircher / Larouchie / Libertarian / party has dis guarded
All Pretense of the party that Ike, Rockefeller, once led.
For all they claim to embrace. Flag, God, & Constitution
They defile them all. And really embrace a Corporatist agenda using extremist religious ideals that are anti American in origin to control reactionary feelings in its flock
They represent a disdain for the Commons and have more in common with Feudal society than our Federal society. They claim to love America, they just aren't so sure of the "United States" part.

He should've gotten out already. It's hard to believe that anyone could be that ignorant about rape and reproduction in 2012!

I believe its up to the people he represents.

Let's review: Barack Hussein Obama took immediate and full credit for killing Bin Laden and the entire news industry, aka "State Run" media, nodded its collective head in full, lap dog approval. Does even one reader of this BG PATCH have a scintilla of honesty to fully and completely admit that Special Forces troops of the ARMED FORCES of THIS nation killed Bin Laden? ..... Here are the facts: Bin Laden was NOT killed by Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, David Axelrod, Rahm Immamuel, OR by the 24/7 Republican Haters who have no higher calling ON EARTH except to write hate filled propaganda in the comment section of this tiny newspaper who would forgive Todd Akin of any verbal gaffe in the Political Universe as long he was a DEMOCRAT who supported partial birth abortions, gays in the military, and agreed with Obama that there are 57 states in the United States.

Oops- illegal.

I don't think this argument is about Obama. The question was about Akins. This is what always happens, diverting from the question at hand. We ended up with two rotten Governors in IL because Jim Ryan was forced to step down (all because he wanted to have sex with his wife). Let the people decide, not the party.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SO CALL CHRISTIANS ??? CATHOLICS ???? FORGIVE ?? NO ?
AKIN SAID THAT HE WAS SORRY--PLEASE FORGIVE ME ..
NOT TOO MANY POLITICIANS HAVE THE GUTS TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LIKE HE DID....
REAL TRUE CHRISTIANS AND REAL TRUE CATHOLICS SHOULD GIVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE AND FORGIVE HIM.

ME ?? I'M A DEMOCRAT VOTING FOR ROMNEY AND I'M NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON BUT I HAVE FORGIVING HIM.

HE-OR-SHE WHO IS FREE OF SINS CAST THE FIRST STONE ??

Jose, he apologized when it became the prudent thing to do. Look at what he's said and done n the past. There's no difference. He said what he believed and when challenged on it, he said he misspoke. It's called covering one's ---.

Perhaps the Evanston Patch should consider having POLLS on the problems in Evanston. Crime , City Council Giveaways

I'm originally from the "Show Me" State and I seriously doubt that after all of the economic damage that the Democrats have inflicted on the nation that Missourians will vote to re-elect Democrats, except maybe in St. Louis. Give it a week or two and then take a look at the polls.

"It's the economy, stupid." This election is not about abortion, although the Democrats are trying their best to talk about anything but the miserable economy.

The Democrats created this miserable economy with Obamacare and the Stimulus package and Obama's war on oil and gas. Repeal Obamacare and build the Keystone XL pipeline right now and watch the economy turn-around on a dime.

The Bush led economic rapists had noting to do with the economy.
Key stone will not pollute the USA and will not send the oil overseas. Nor will it take the 2 existing key stone lines that DO provide oil to the Midwest OFF LINE
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE BILLIONAIRES BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

I moved here from st Louis. As the STL Post dispatch editor put it so well, Akins has been providing local media with the crazy talk and fodder for the paper for 25 years and now the rest of the world has discovered him. He is not someone from the boonies. He is running for st Charles and some surrounding burbs of stl that are very conservative so I won't doubt they will still vote for him just to keep Claire out. That is what our politics has come to.

almost every state has the crazy politicians. We have been in army for 27 years now, moved 16 times. As for the president and this 'scandal' about bin laden. He gave plenty of credit to those on the ground. However, kudos to him for making that decision to send our special forces into our 'allied' country to take him down. Can you imagine the hell he would have caught if this

went the other way? He is our commander in chief. And commander s take the blame and some of the credit. Esp as CinC. Good or bad. The Navy Seals on the other hand, the ex ones I should say, should be ashamed for whining, being disrespectful, nearly threatening to our President, and for outing themselves to the world and our enemies, putting their family and friends and fellow special forces at risk! The ones I know are strong, silent, stealthy and stalwart- they don't want the limelight. And no matter who the president is. And the book coming out? He or they could gave legal charges. We sign non disclosures. I would not want me or my husband to serve with thaws kind of seals, soldiers, or marines.

Seriously, these navy seals who made the 22 minute video hiding behind their military stunts are so over the top. And the book author. I believe in free speech. We fight for it. I'm a veteran now and you better believe I was a critic of George bush and Iraq decision and the leadership- but from a tactical and

Tactical and boots on the ground standpoint. But just as Obama gets some credit and was THE final decision maker on the mission to get Bin Laden, Bush must shoulder and accept his responsibility for the years in Iraq. I could provide an entire litany just from a military standpoint of his disastrous decisions that we have paid for and those in the army will be paying for for years to come. So Bin Laden, who was responsible for 9-11, was taken out and Navy Seals are whining about it? Really? Really? What military did they serve in because it's sure as hell not mine.

From CNN:

"The survey asked: “Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal under only certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?” Some 62 percent want abortions illegal in all cases or legal only in certain instances while just 35% want abortions legal for any reason."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2012/08/25/new_poll_shows_most_americans_are_prolife

It would appear that the Democrat position on abortion is actually the extreme position, at least based upon the CNN poll. So go for it Democrats-another victory for conservatives.

I have no clue if Akin should get out or not. If he just had a one time gaffe, then no. He apologized when it was brought to his and everyone else's attention. Why the media goes on and on about it is beyond me. Abortion is not going to be outlawed ever, it is a law that was affirmed by the Supreme Court in Roe v Wade. End of discussion. It is perplexing to see abortion as such a prominent topic to bash republicans over. That and contraception. I know of no republican trying to outlaw either thing. They may not like abortion, but no one is trying to abolish it. They ARE disagreeing with the general public having to pay for abortion and contraception. And this I agree with. If you want to play, you pay....not me.

Anyway, if the DNC has an accused rapist (Clinton) as a keynote speaker, why is some random senate candidate from Missouri who misspeaks or says something dumb, worse? Why are the women's rights advocates not focusing on a serial abuser/rapist of women instead of focusing on a dunderheaded comment from a random politician? Makes absolutely no sense to this woman.

Oh, this is about Akins. Well as me and my women friends have said, wow, I didn't know we had super powers or on off switch to shut the whole thing down...this was not a blunder. It's what he believes, his philosophy...he had medical 'facts' to back it up...but yet, they will vote for him. And yes, we serve our country so idiots can speak too. And if this GOP ticket gets in office, no doubt my army husband will finally put in retirement papers. It's been a real blessing to not serve under GW the last four years of his career. And our gay soldiers have given their lives just the same. So kudos Mr. President. For Bin Laden and overturning DADT. A better day to be in the military for sure!

Um, that's a new one...democrats making election about abortion. Usually it's republicans bring out gays, abortion, guns and God, the GAGG, we call it. And it works in,my home state. You should be there for the robo calls. I think democrats are trying to emphasis what some man,like Akin could do to women. Serious harm.

gaen, are you still talking? sorry to interrupt.

Akin should get out. Not because of his worldview, but because he has proven himself to be stupid.

As a conservative, the thing that bothers me most about this is that the RNC did not warn their candidates to stay away from the abortion issue. It was not number one or number ten or even twenty on the list of what Americans are concerned about right now, but as i predicted right here two weeks ago, ABORTION would be the next issue the Democrats brought up to distract voters from talking about the economy.

I thought it would end up where there was a concerted effort by the journOlist community to bring up abortion as an issue in interviews, etc.. but no! this moron from Missouri opened the gates for the pigressives out there (WaPo, NYT, Politico) to bring this non-issue into the blogosphere.

The best thing for Romney to do, besides denouncing Akin...which he has done numerous times already, is to say that abortion laws will not be a focus of his administration and that he will not sign any bills which attempt to hamper abortion rights.

There are millions and millions out of work...Obama has taken over $700,000,000,000 out of Medicare funding. There are bigger fish to fry than talking about social issues.

"Governor Romney has correctly noted that 92.3% of the jobs lost under Obama were women's jobs. But in an effort to distract from the fact that their mishandling of the economy has had dire affects on the lives of women, Democrats plan to highlight at their convention Sandra Fluke to remind us that Obamacare will provide women with "free" contraceptives. You'd have to be even more innumerate than the President is to believe that a benefit worth about $9 a month -which you will in fact be paying for through that benighted legislation-beats the opportunity to earn a living."

Just the facts.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/sleeping_with_the_enemy_in_the_war_against_women.html#ixzz24fT2Hi5Y

Just because our politicians cannot have a civil and intelligent discourse without name calling doesn't mean that WE the people of the Patch cannot.

There is a lot of name calling that is unnecessary. There is a lot of half truth statements and blame laid unnecessarily. There is a fair amount of shading and disregard for the facts in favor of some political agenda either left or right.

Why do we have so few fact filled discussions? Why do we interpret events and policies that have not happened and assign blame for their motive and intent when the entire thing is a complete fabrication?

Our government process is terrible. We elect the immoral, the corrupt, and the idiotic. But WE the people don't have to be that way.

How about thinking through statements and not being so quick to respond with rhetoric and use more factual analysis?

Wouldn't that be better?

Rush Limbaugh:

"The Democrats are actually going to turn their convention into a celebration of abortion.

They think that they're on to something so powerful and so big here. They think the "social issues" are death for the Republicans and they think that this is a godsend. It's gonna be woman after woman after woman, and it's gonna be, "Abortion, abortion, abortion! Contraception, contraception, contraception!" It is gonna be the Democrat Party's 30-year-old playbook every night at their convention. So this, as far as I'm concerned -- if they follow through with this -- will officially make them the party of death and taxes."

Read more:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/sleeping_with_the_enemy_in_the_war_against_women.html#ixzz24fdEol9G

You have to admit it, Rush is right.

You saw the CNN poll results posted above. Yes, let the Democrats make this election all about abortion. When Romney takes back the White House, the adults will be back in charge.

Richard, just north Dan, a CONservative called a fellow CONservative "stupid". Kinda takes ALL the hot air out of your statement that the the word stupid is a leftist playbook theme. You are so incredibly stupid ( just using your fellow CONservatives terminology) it is clearly pathetic.

no he should not but this givs the liberal left wing press another reason to ignore the real problems in america. no jobs, 16 trillion dollar debt, a democratic senate that does not do anything because of a crazy senate president, end of the tax breaks in 2013, new tax called OBAMACARE, free education for illegals when the american people are suffering, aid to countries who hate us but we are going to focus on a mis comment

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/04/romney-camps-claims-about-female-job-loss-under-obama-119855.html
-"There’s a simple reason why job losses look worse for women during Obama’s presidency: Almost 3.3 million men were fired during the George W. Bush’s last year in office, while the losses for women were more drawn out over time... But let’s dig deeper and go back to January 2008. During the last year of the Bush administration, employment for men plunged by 3.29 million jobs but just 1.17 million for women. That's a huge difference and explains the full extent of what happened."

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ballot-2012/2012/05/17/oops-labor-department-undercuts-romney-says-fewer-women-lost-jobs-under-obama-than-first-thought

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/why-mitt-romneys-economic-war-on-women-charge-could-backfire/255754/

http://mobile.rawstory.com/therawstory/#!/entry/romney-blames-obama-for-women-job-losses-actually-caused-by,4fec00597af68a84dcd06723/2

You may want to factcheck some of your sources, Rich.m

If every pol who said something stupid, ignorant, inane, offensive or untrue had to resign, there wouldn't be anyone left. That would be a good thing. Evanstonians are, of course, the elite of political correctness.

What is "Bushcare"? We know that the Obama Administration blames everything on Bush. (Bush is even responsible for Michelle Antoinette's lavish vacations at taxpayer's expense.) We also know that the American people want Obamacare repealed, so somehow Obamacare must be Bush's fault. Hence, from now until the election, Democrats are calling it Bushcare. Blame Bush.

Didn't Obama say something like, if I don't have the economy fixed in three years, this is going to be a one term propostition. All Obama had to do to fix the economy is to do nothing. Instead he made a big mess of the economy with Obamacare and the Stimulus. Just how difficult is it to absolutely nothing?

Grace
It is is choice if he wants to stay in or not. The comment he made was an ignorant blunder, but tell me if there is anyone above who has ever said a very stupid thing or did a stupid thing you wish you could take back but it was too late. You did/or said it and people either judged you, forgave you or fired you over it.....I say but this blunder to rest and let's get on with the real issues facing this nation. Why are we all wasting our energy and condeming an entire party over one man's wrongful wording. He apologized move in.

Grace
With all the issues the country is facing I cannot understand why people are focusing on one man's mistake when speaking in public. Please let me know if there is anyone above who has never made a mistake and said a really stupid thing or did a studip act that you didn't regret afterwards where others judged you, fired you, gossipped about you or forgave you and forgot about it. I know I have too many times to mention......He said he was sorry so I choose to forgive and move on. I can't begin to name some of the ignorant statements I have heard, like Bidden saying, I see Chuck in the audience, hey Chuck stand up and he can't because he is in a wheelchair. What a horrible comment but I am sure he didn't mean to make Chuck feel inadequate. This morning on Meet the Press Debra Schultz made a comment about Obama and said these past three years are not about achievment but about commitment. I almost feel over as this was such a stupid comment...I can go on and on, but when in an election for the opposing party to condemn a person for misspeaking that is the real issue....FORGET ABOUT IT AND MOVE ON TO THE REAL ISSUES.

It was reported on the FNC that the Democrats spent $1.5mil to get this character elected in the Primary. The thinking was that of the 3 'pubs running in the Primary, this would be the easiest for McCaskil to beat. Unfortunately, she was even losing to him! The Democrats have been slowly destroying themselves in much the same manner the Lamestream Media (ABCNNBCBS) has been destroying itself: through lies, deceptions, and a shift to fringe politics. From what I'm hearing on a grassroots level, I think the Pandercrats (AKA Democrats) are about to take another "shellacking" in November.

Rich, that Carville quote is the only one you ever quote. A little convienience on your part. Dig a little deeper...".Every day Catholics prove that you can be a good Catholic and a good Democrat and have A different position from the church on abortion" James Carville

Seems like all the Democrats prefer to talk about abortion these days, I wonder why. In that case, their focus lately has been on the 0.0001% occurances of rape or incest incidences. Not many people have heard about the bill Obama pushed for mandating a doctor not to attempt rescue for a born baby, just let the baby for gasp for air till death. The least he could have done is write in a ok to strangulate for humane purposes. Party of death?

The deeper issue is women's rights and the seeming misogyny of men in the republican party. Why should a man be able to dictate what a woman is to do with her own body? I wonder how flippant you would be if your mother, sister, wife, or daughter were raped.

The issue is quite simple, unlike how people try to complicate it. If you believe that the abortion is taking a human life or not. With all of the circumvented logic on the pro-abortion side, it all boils down to that simple point.

When is a person a person? At conception? A fetus? When does life begin and why should one person's opinion be more valid than another? Why should a woman who has been raped and traumatized have to carry the result of that rape for nine months? How about incest? How about a father impregnating his daughter or his niece? Abortion is not something anyone wants and looks forward to. It is a difficult, heart breaking decision, but it is the woman's choice. Not a bunch of old republican men sitting around Washington. Isn't that what republicans want anyway?

Why is it a heart breaking decision if it's merely a medical procedure based on a woman's right to choose? You guys never make sense on this issue, out of you you created a strange twist on a man versus woman thing to foster votes.

Because, McCloud, it is not a simple procedure and you insult anyone who has had to deal with one with your cavalier attitude. Abortion is not used as birth control, although I'm sure there are many republicans who think that it is. What about the health of the mother? If childbirth will result in the death of the mother, then does the unborn baby have more rights than the already alive mother? The republican platform wants to make abortion illegal under any circumstances, so I guess the mother must die. How nice for the child growing up with the knowledge that the reason he doesn't have a mom is because of him. Pretty long term therapy there. That is if he can afford it since republicans don't think mental health is important enough to insure.

If you think it's not a simple procedure, then you are in favor of murder. If you think it is merely a medical procedure, that's something all together different. What cavalier attitude? Funny, the mental health insurance thing should be a matter of choice, only Democrats have been loading up people's premium with mandated benefits for years, and none of us have a choice when we buy insurance, oh the irony.

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." Floryence Kennedy

So you don't care if the mother's health is at risk then. You didn't answer the question so I'll just make that assumption. Do you have a wife or daughters, a sister, a favorite aunt? I'm sure they'd be happy to know that if they are raped or if their health is in danger, you, the man, doesn't care. The baby has to be carried to full term. And then once that baby is born, who cares what happens next? As long as the government doesn't offer assistance in some way if needed, the kid can rot in jail for all you care. This particular thread is over McCloud. You make me sck.

That's a whole lot of gobbly-gook, not sure where you are coming from. Maybe it was something I said?

A review of the Dred Scott decision may be of interest. In the Dred Scott decision, US Supreme Court held that the institution of slavery was Constitutional. I think that most Americans today disagree with the Dred Scott decision. What the Dred Scott decision demonstrates is that US Supreme Court is not infallible.

If you look at the Supreme Court's decision on Roe v. Wade written by Justice Harry Blackmun, you will see that the decision is based upon medical technology as it existed in the early 1970's. 40 years later, medical procedures with respect to children in the womb have changed tramatically. Basing a court decision upon existing medical technology is a poor foundation for a Supreme Court opinion because medical technology will always be advancing. (Of course, if Obamacare is implemented, then advancements in the medical field will be far fewer.)

Since the Constitution doesn't address the issue of abortion, the Supreme Court should not have ruled on the issue and allowed each state to address the issue. That would mean that the legality of abortion would vary by state.

The issue of slavery bitterly divided America in the decades before the Civil War. The issue of abortion bitterly divides America today. Just as slavery was ultimately abolished in America and other nations, it is my opinion that the practice of abortion will eventually be abolished. Abortion is just as abhorrent as slavery.

Why is there more comment and controversy over Akin in Missouri than there was when Derrick Smith was caught taking money in exchange for a political favor?

The rhetoric didn't fly like it is over this. I wonder why???

I can see the commentary is degenerating. Fewer facts....more insults and taunts...
How is that working for you?

Once again we go back to blaming someone, either the current or former president.
No one goes back to the Clinton administration when they repealed Glass-Steagall which was put into effect after the stock market collapse in 1929. Glass-Steagall intended to keep commercial banks in the commercial lending world and insurance companies selling insurance only. etc. That separation was effective. Once Glass-Steagall was repealed the doors were thrown open.

Whether you blame Bush or Obama doesn't matter. The discussion needs to be about solutions, not about posturing and positioning....

Blaming one or the other doesn't solve the problem, it just takes the focus off creating a solution.

Hasn't anyone ever misspoke before he said he was sorry. I guess everyone is correct in thaught and thier speech nobody ever mispeaks.Mans is not perfect. this is another example of that fact. It is past time to move to another topic.

Why should someone back down because he/she says something with which you disagree. Is this 1984? As to blaming, no one has solutions so blame is easy. Anyway, what solution is going to satisfy even a plurality. Let see now; we would have to satisfy whites, blacks, hispanics, men, women, gays and lesbians, rich, poor, middle class, white collar, blue collar, christians, muslims, jews, agnostics, democrats, republicans, libertarians, PETA and many others. Good luck with that. Ah diversity.

RB: "Rich, your Church is against the death penalty. So, if you are for the death penalty, you can't be Catholic. Are you for the death penalty under any circumstances? Say, Muhammad Atta? Perhaps the rapist of a 12 year old? So, are you still Catholic after thinking about that?"

Abortion and the death penalty are often linked by supporters of abortion. Of course, there is a difference. In an abortion procedure, the child that is being killed has committed no crime, nor has been convicted of any crime. Nor is the child represented by an attorney in a court of law officiated by a judge before a jury of the child's peers. I imagine if it was required that, before a child was aborted, a jury of the child's peers had to agree that the child deserves to be aborted, there would be very few, if any abortions.

After a defendant is convicted of a crime and given the death sentence, that sentence is the subject of multiple appeals. The carrying out of an execution typically takes 10 years or more.

If after being sentenced to be aborted, an unborn child was given the opportunity of multiple appeals that lasted 10 years, then I would agree that abortion and death penalty executions are similar. Of course, by the time the multiple appeals were finally exhausted, the child would be 9 or 10 years old. Too late for an abortion then.

Defendants in a death penalty case have multiple protections. Unborn children have no protections under the law, but the child is innocent.

If every candidate that says something stupid or offensive to someone removes himself or herself from the ballot, we would have no one running. Biden's reference to chains, Obama's 57 states. etc. It should be up to the voters to decide. Also, keep in mind this is a very recent comment. When a politician makes a blunder or does something exceptionly well, the polls reflect a bounce immediately. Many times the bounce is temporary.

Everybody makes mistakes. Sometimes we say the wrong things. Let Mr. Todd Akin decide for himself.
The public should not decide for him. But whatever happened to freedom of speech. Mr. Akin apologized for what he said.
Let all of us forgive him. And let Mr. Akin go on with his life. And let all of us go on with our lives.

Mr. Schulte, I don't understand why you are allowed to make divisive comments without being confronted about them when you attack every single person on here who disagrees with you. You seem to believe only you have the right to speak your mind, no matter how ridiculous the comment is, while others are supposed to either agree with you or not respond. You're one of the most close minded people I have ever seen. You ask for proof or facts from others but when you are provided with that, you ignore it and pretend that it was never given to you. Or you won't read links if you deem them too liberal. If you do read something, you teistbthe words to match your beliefs. You do not debate. You bully. Just as Rush Limbaugh does. You won't acknowledge that maybe you have been given information that isn't true even when the truth stares you in the face. You have an overinflated opinion of yourself and you will not admit that what you thought was true may not be after all.

Lets tax all those greedy billionaire's money back into the Caymans, we can live like Tahtians and move sand piles with spoons from one side of the road to another.

Republican, Democrat, right-left wing, conservative, liberal, Tea Party, Marxist, or any religion....or whatever you might call yourself......stay out of my womb and get out of my body. These are not your decisions to make. There is no one who can make that choice but the woman it pertains to.

"Sully is a far left radical-a marxist. I have no interest in reading anything that Sully suggests reading. Sully has achieved legenday kook status."

Looks like you're the one "name-calling". Imagine that. So Roch, this kook would like a simple answer to a simple question. You say the majority of people support the republicans on abortion, however, the link you,yourself posted, and from which I got the true numbers from tha actual poll, indicates only fifteen percent of Americans believe in making abortion illegal with no exceptions. Could you please explain to the readers here how 15% is a majority?

I think we shoul leave decisions like abortions to me who wear cool pointy hats and silk pajama like garments who shun women sexually and surround themselves with young prepubescent acolytes. These guys know what's right for women whether they
be nuns or demoncrats. How can
anyone expect to be good when god isn't looking? We need more celibate men and those
that celebrate that culture to run things, other that the altar boys massage schedules. If god is in the picture, no matter what results, it's right. Just ask Gallileo. It's such a convenient tool to fall back on, n'est pas? With god you can justfy any absurdity because no
matter what, ye people if faith who iknow what the true meaning of life is

Hypocrisy Alert! Sure Akin said very insensitive, wrong, and inappropriate things and should step aside. And it hurts his party. But where was the liberal's outrage when a Senator Ted Kennedy (D) drove off a road drowning a women and leaving the scene of a probably drunken crime. He was not asked to step down and became a minor deity for the left. Where was the cry to step aside when a President Clinton (D) abused his office with an intern who worked for him and lied. Maybe because the politics of the doer is more important than the act. And when a President Obama (D) had a long standing relationship with a pastor who said "G-- D--- America" this was okay and just words. The media was mute. Enough to drive you up the wall except when you see through liberals' selective outrage and hypocrisy!

Akin's views about "legitimate rape" are based on personal experience. He is a serial rapist with a very low sperm count. He just misattributes the cause of all his rapes not causing pregnancies.

I think people are to quick to count on the demise of this guy. Republicans may be running for cover on this one, but on voting day, no one will be asked to reveal who they voted for, and in reality not too many people on the right were bothered by Akin's comments. We should remember that Akin did not wake up just a week ago with these ideas. He probably held and expressed his opinion on the matter for a while now, yet no one hurried to correct him, thus he continued making this same claim untill it seemed normal for him to do so, and he did, making a fool of himself in the process.
This is how ideas get advanced through our ideological camps. What we really should have learned from the Akin incident is that the filter that weeds out bad ideas from good is inadequate as long as it is a left/right ideological filter, rather than one of collective reason. If we are to save our society, we need to become part of the filter of reason, otherwise, our decision making aparatus will continue to be infected by flawed ideas, which will continue to cause us great harm.
http://zoltansustainableecon.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-making-of-todd-akin-unflattering.html

when I first heard the term I thought it meant one of those he said she said situations. while this guy supposedly has a problem with running mouth - being a republican and not automatically having the press on your side - any misstatement is cause for decapitation - - which is what he did - - and ever republican representative asked for him to step down - while after researching this guy - he's kind of a nut job to begin with whereas Claire is just a sell out. I guess unemployment going up - jobs leaving the country thanks for the job czar at GE sending plants to China - rising national debt - the government DEMANDING elevators in swimming pools - I am so glad the press is worried about less than 1% of the rapes that occur and if an abortion should or shouldn't occur. I believe the demonratz platform allows for the KILLING of a LIVE CHILD if the child is born due to a botched abortion. That's really nice. And partial birth abortion where they don't let the entire child out of the womb before the "doctor" KILLS the unborn child. So let's talk about that 1% and see how people like it

The CNN poll results (unfiltered) for August 22-23, 2012:

Legal under any circumstances: 35%
Legal under most circumstances: 9%
Legal in a few circumstances: 37%
Illegal in all circumstances: 15%
No opinion: 3%

Clearly, the Republican position on abortion is the majority-52% (37% + 15% = 52%).

The Democrat postion on abortion is supported by 44% (35% + 9% = 44%).

See page 13 for the poll results at:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/08/24/rel8a.pdf

Also note that 61% of Americans support at least some restrictions on abortion, while only 35% of Americans think that abortion should be legal under all circumstances.

Once again, we have an example of Sully feeding us disinformation.

With football season upon us, who is in the mood for a little 'over/under' wager?

I'm betting that by the time this one article is kaput, Richard and Sully will have each posted over 100 comments each.

So that's the over/under number. Anyone besides these two willing to make a bet?

"More than ever, America needs a sane, thoughtful debate on abortion. Democrats are not eager for such a debate because they realize, though they dare not admit it, that Roe v. Wade will be a casualty. No dissent from the prevailing orthodoxy is permitted within the Democratic Party, but the ugly secret is that it is very easy to demonstrate to the most rabid defender of the controversial ruling that it was wrongly decided. Ask any pro-choicers how he would have reacted if the nine old men in black robes had ruled that the Constitution prohibited abortion. How many seconds would it have taken for them to point out that the Constitution is silent on the subject? Support for Roe is enshrined in every Democratic platform, yet at its core, it is dishonest. The constitutional right trumpeted so loudly by its partisans exists nowhere in the Constitution."

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/aiken_abortion_and_the_gop.html#ixzz24kfeKYPP

Common sense on abortion from the American Thinker.

Republicans have a vision for America. Here's a little preview:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/27/taliban-behead-17-afghan-partygoers?CMP=twt_gu

Despite the abortion debate, the one question every American voter should ask themselves before voting is:

"Are you better off today than you were four years ago?"

The election of Romney/Ryan will not change the Supreme Court ruling, Roe v. Wade. Much adieu about nothing.

Why should Akin quit when his beliefs are in line with other Republican candidates like Paul Ryan? The travesty here is not that he misspoke, but that he said exactly what he believes, and what many Republican lawmakers believe. If the Republican Party REALLY disagreed with Akin's stance on abortion, then why isn't this reflected in their party platform? http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/rnc-abortion-platform-rape-incest.php.

The Republican party is against abortion, which is reflected in the party platform. What is your point? Again, the abortion issues is quite simple, either you believe that an abortion is simply a medical procedure, in which case I have no problem with your opinion, or that it is taking of a human life, in which case all of your justifications hold no water.

All you small government less regulation feedom loving "R"'s make me laugh with your hypocrisy.
The issue is, who's decision is it a woman and her doctor or a bunch of nuts

Akin aside, when a pregnant woman is murdered there is often a charge of double murder. Murder is defined as unlawfuly taking the life of a person. So why isn't abortion murder?

Lets see, someone wants this column to be local, ok, economics is local> So a Judge in Texas says if Obama wins we will face a civil war. Not racially motivated but economically charged. I don't believe Obama will lose. So we are facing a civil war. You only have to go to the comments sections on any politically charged subject and you can see the combatants lined up and ready to lead the charge of the light brigade. There are shootings galore not only in Chicago and there is no shortage of hatred going around but this era still lacks the charisma of the 60's and 70's and the best music ever. Ok thats my comment.

Sully: "So no Richard, this is not all me (by the way, the Saul Alinsky thing is quite tiresome. I've never read the man and no nothing other than what you have said. Just because you refuse to think for yourself, others do."

It's rather interesting that Sully who knows pretty everything about most things would claim not to be familiar with Saul Alinksky's "Rules for Radicals". Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" is dedicated to Lucifer. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Sully will claim that he has now idea who Lucifer is either.

"The issue is, who's decision is it a woman and her doctor or a bunch of nuts" Regardless of who actually makes the decision, it still boils down to whether or not you think it's just a medical procedure or actually taking of human life. Try not to cloud the issue with circumvented rhetoric and ad hominem attacks you repeat from loons on MSNBC.

Of course Akin should get out of the race, unless you’re a democrat, then you’d like him to stay in the race. Can't we come up with a better poll than this? It's only purpose is to energize the liberals over a non issue, draw attention away from failed policies by this administration and to once again divide this country instead of uniting it. Where is the leadership from this administration? Reagan and Clinton were great leaders, reaching across the aisle to get important things done for this country. This president has to be one of the worst leaders I've ever seen. But I guess that's what you get when you put a community organizer in charge. Let’s just blame everyone and not take any responsibility for our failed policies!

First, President Obama steered the hurricane toward Tampa to disrupt the Republican Convention. Now President Obama is steering the hurricane toward Baton Rouge to harrass Governor Jindal (R). I wouldn't be surprised if Obama sends the hurricane to Austin, Texas to get back at Governor Rick Perry (R).

What's that got to do with abortion? Absolutely nothing, but I did mention the word "abortion" in this post twice, so I guess it counts.

Notice how the press is playing along with the Obama campaign by talking about anything but the economy. It's actually a fun game as I watch NBC and Brian Williams contemplate if Romney was making a joke about his birth certificate. The scary part of NBC is the special they ran with the subtle mocking of the man's religion. I can't wait until the election night coverage when Brian has to concede the election to Romney. Really, does Obama have a sister, and after all this time as President why is that such a mystery?

Akin...just like R & R is dead in the water. Barack will win again. : P

Yeah. Well...you will have tears in your eyes come November when Barack wins again...you dumb ass.

A recent Gallup Poll shows that 68% of the American public blames George W for the nations economic woes.

How right they are

Here's a clue, usually the last two months prior to an election is where the incumbant loses ground. With an incumbant well below 50%, and a challenger who has yet to unleash his money, Obama might win a few states, but landslide is in the cards.

Pretty funny that they won't let Dubya anywhere near Tampa

I do not think Dubya wants to be anywhere close to Tampa. He is for better or worse the lowest key ex President ever. President Clinton has always rightfully considered the economy as a key election point. However, your comment that it is funny indicates that perhaps you either do not think it is important or you think it in someway hurts Obama.

Barring a strike on Iran by Israel or economic disaster in the next 60 days....unlikely with the IPhone 5 and Mini IPad coming out:). The economy is a key to the election and it is getting better. All signs point to a slow but steady recovery, not a jump up and down wonderful, but a recovery. Spending is up, Stocks have been smoking hot, retail sales are up, travel is up, houses are selling, two next to me just sold in 30 - 40 days, teardowns are happening again, you see cranes in the skyline, people are cautiously optimistic. If it is about the economy, Obama wins.

It's pitiful and shameful that Mitch McConnell states "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” You'd think the most important thing would be to work together to continue to get the economy back to where it was when Clinton was president. Just saying

Ryan and Rice both hit it out of the park last night. The libs are scrambling to attach race to just about everything. They are all out of ideas, as their only remedy has failed and filled the pockets of Democrat fundraisers.

Here is this young man with absolutely no experience and no accomplishments, with doubts about the usefulness of the constitution, his academic heroes being Saul Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, John Rawls and sundry communists, standing before the American people, arms spread in "Let us pray" mode, saying, "We are the ones we having been waiting for". Who is "we"? And the voters swallowed that hook, line and sinker. It is the old and tired liberal line that socialism works but has never been tried by the "right" people and "we" are the rigjht people. The Republicans have a chance here to demonstrate that the American voters are not as stupid as the Democrats think that they are.

In case you don't want to look at the links-

"Ryan spoke about the GM plant in his hometown of Janesville:
A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.
Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight."

"Set aside the fact that Paul Ryan... asked for government funds to save the plant. Set aside that he voted for the big-government auto bailout. Ryan also conveniently forgot to mention that GM announced the closure of the plant in early June 2008. In fact, Ryan and then-Wisconsin Sens. Russ Feingold (D) and Herb Kohl (D) sent a letter that month to GM CEO Rick Wagoner asking him to reconsider. This was not just before Barack Obama was inaugurated or even elected; it was the same day he won his own party’s nomination. There was no way Obama could have saved that auto plant without also discovering time travel."

"[Obama] created a bipartisan debt commission [, the Simpson-Bowles commission]. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing."

But Ryan was on that commission, and he voted against that “urgent report.” Also, the president did not do “exactly nothing”: The White House released a debt plan last September, despite Republicans’ best attempts to pretend it doesn’t exist. Finally, if the crisis is so urgent, why does Ryan’s own budget proposal not balance the budget until the 2030s?"

Yeah, Obama put together a budget that was so ridiculous in deficit that it lost in senate vote 100-0, even spendthrift Dems were embarrased. It really shows Obama is completely out of touch.

Conrad: "Here's another Limbaugh statement. "The second thing that I think the Republicans ought to do is send bags of money instead of sand. Bags full of money to shore up the levees in New Orleans.

Now, this will accomplish much. It will show our compassion, and it will do something else. Once we publicize that we have sent 500 bags of money -- well, whatever number of bags, bags filled with money to shore up the levees, what will happen? The poor of New Orleans will storm the levees and steal the bags, thereby putting themselves at risk for the eventual flooding that will happen once they remove the bags of money. And that way the Republicans can get rid of even more Democrats in Louisiana and shore up the state for themselves. How about those two ideas, folks? Am I not thinking or am I thinking?". Very funny Mr. Limbaugh, but he's not joking."

Yes, I heard Rush say that yesterday and the day before. Rush also referred to Sandra Fluke was a slut about 5 or 6 months ago. I also heard Rush say that.

Liberals have absolutely no sense of humor and mocking them really gets under their skin. Conrad doesn't get the joke. That's OK Conrad, all you need to know is that Rush was making fun of you and your fellow liberals, but you just can't laugh at yourself. Stop taking yourself so seriously. On second thought, keep taking yourself so seriously. It's just too much fun to laugh at you and the other liberals.

Keep on making your amusing posts.

Conrad: "Mr. Schulte, here are Mr. Barbieri's credentials.
International Investor and entrepreneur. Forest founded, ran and sold several of the industries early and largest private & public educational technology companies.
After retiring the first time in 1995, Forest became invested in several businesses from Hawaii to Russia. Forest currently manages Elite Holdings, a Western Investment Company with investments in Russia. You on the other hand are unemployed and lost your home to foreclosure. If I had to pick between the two of you for information Mr. Barbieri would be the one. Like another poster here says, just sayin."

I guess the above was supposed to impress me, but I'm not impressed by wealthy people. Forest Barbeiri said last January (2012) that he's a Republican, but that if Romney didn't win the nomination, he would vote for Obama. No actual Repubican would ever vote for Obama. Obama is a marxist.

Mr. Barbieri is your typical business person who votes his financial interest. No doubt he makes money from governnment contracts and really he really doesn't care who he deals with, Democrats or Repubicans (or Communists), as long as he makes money. Where I come from, that's called a sell-out.

If Barbieri is a Republican, he is an Establishment Republican. He's more interested in power than he is about America. America is sinking and Barbieri doesn't really care-as long has he has his share, screw America.

"I point out to him that no president from either party since FDR's second campaign in 1936 has ever been re-elected with an unemployment rate even approaching the numbers we are seeing today. I tell him that any incumbent president who cannot get his poll numbers above 50 percent cannot and will not win."

Obama is even polling poorly in Chicago and Crook County. If Obama can't blow out Romney in Chicago and Crook County, he won't take Illinois. And if Obama can't take Illinois, his campaign might as well go on a cruise on the Titanic.

Barack should make a reservation for a U-Haul truck on January 19th.

Mr Schulte:

I certainly understand that we can respectfully have differences of opinion.

However, I disagree with several of your comments. As to equities, incredible gains and wealth has been created in the last couple of years as stocks have come off of their crises lows and moved into a more traditional trading range. Indeed, some have soared to amazing heights. In addition, market movements have created opportunity.
Unemployment continues to be an issue at 8.3% but is below the 9+% over the last couple of years. There is no magic wand or quick fix for this. It is about the economy (as well as some Macro issues), and it is slowly and cautiously improving.

Gasoline is indeed over $4 a gallon and we are not helped here in Illinois which seems to have higher fuel taxes. However, I just paid almost $8 in Europe and gas has been over $6 there for years. Relative to Europe, we have cheap gas.

Deerbrook Mall has had a tough go of it but I believe that is a result of poor business decisions et al. Wonder was undercapitalized and the wrong idea at the wrong time. Best Buy killed it in their day but they took their eye off the ball (and had it on a female employee). The world of electronic purchases has changed and who buys CD/DVD's anymore? Jewel is in play et al. Deerbrook’s physical layout and lack of investment has made it difficult moving traffic from the stores that have traffic to the small ones spread out amongst them.

Conrad: "Mr. Schulte, here are Mr. Barbieri's credentials. International Investor and entrepreneur. Forest founded, ran and sold several of the industries early and largest private & public educational technology companies. After retiring the first time in 1995, Forest became invested in several businesses from Hawaii to Russia. Forest currently manages Elite Holdings, a Western Investment Company with investments in Russia."

Let's all first agree that Mr. Barbieri didn't build those businesses that Conrad speaks of in his comment. If it hadn't been for millions of other people, Mr. Barbieri wouldn't have been able to build those business. So Mr. Barbieri has no business taking credit for the businesses he founded and workerd so hard to develop. In fact, Mr. Barbieri should be thanking all Americans for making his businesses profitiable. But he hasn't been successful-that business was built on the backs of all Americans, at least according to President Obama and Elizabeth Warren.

"You didn't build that" in President Obama's own words in Roanoke, Virigina:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng

I apologize for the above Mr. Barbieri, but if you endorse Obama, then "you didn't build that". As I've said before, Obama is a marxist, plain and simple.

I'm tempted to see if Deerfield Library will get this book. If they get enough requests they may order it. It's called The Republican Brain - the Science of why they deny Science and Reality.
Bestselling author Chris Mooney uses cutting-edge research to explain the psychology behind why today’s Republicans reject reality—it's just part of who they are.
From climate change to evolution, the rejection of mainstream science among Republicans is growing, as is the denial of expert consensus on the economy, American history, foreign policy and much more. Why won't Republicans accept things that most experts agree on? Why are they constantly fighting against the facts?

Science writer Chris Mooney explores brain scans, polls, and psychology experiments to explain why conservatives today believe more wrong things; appear more likely than Democrats to oppose new ideas and less likely to change their beliefs in the face of new facts; and sometimes respond to compelling evidence by doubling down on their current beliefs.  

Goes beyond the standard claims about ignorance or corporate malfeasance to discover the real, scientific reasons why Republicans reject the widely accepted findings of mainstream science, economics, and history—as well as many undeniable policy facts (e.g., there were no “death panels” in the health care bill).

I am disgusted by how superior you Dems think you are!

RB, I am sure if we wrote a book about why you Dems have such a holier-than-tho mentality we'd be labeled racist, haters and certifiable (along with the other choice things you think you are okay to call us).

RB,

You obviously have not been a scientist or a statitician.

Most of experts opinions, papers and stats are flawed one way or another and are published primarily to gain academic advancement. any smart person has a healthy dose of doubt about most of it. Of course there are going to be rationing panels to decide what will be paid for and wgat won't and Zeke Emmanuel who was one of Obama's advisors on the matter believes that rationing should be done on a basis of age and functionality. Given that, why would it not be reasonable to imagine "death panels" Maybe not in so many words but a reality nonetheless.

I suggest you read Joel Best's book on statistics and the lies in public policy based on them.

Conrad: "Mr Schulte, you're much too bitter and unreasonable to have a real debate with. I'll find a more intelligent person to discuss politics and economics with from now on. That shouldn't be hard."
***
Conrad, you've obviously mistaken my intent. I have never have had any interest in debating or discussing politics with you. I don't consider you intelligent enough to have a cogent discussion. You seem to inhabit some sort of bizarro world. You may be from the Planet Stupiter or perhaps you're just some advanced form of algae, not sure. (Yes, I'm mocking your intelligence because I know how much it irritates liberals to have their intelligence questioned.)

"The problem with liberal is not that they know so much, but that they know so much that isn't true." Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan certainly had Conrad in mind when he coined the quote above.

RB: "Why won't Republicans accept things that most experts agree on? Why are they constantly fighting against the facts?"

RB, I am an expert in my field. The one thing that I've learned from being an expert is don't trust "experts". Experts use their position as an "expert" to line their pockets-some experts, not all, will say anything. Perjury-no problem as long as you pay me handsomely and the record of my testimony is not made public so that no one else will see that I'm lying through my teeth.

I make my living discrediting "experts". At this point in time, the "expert" business is not very profitable.

Conrad, for you-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-republican-convention-emphasizes-diversity-racial-incidents-intrude/2012/08/29/b9023a52-f1ec-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_story.html

"The demographics race we’re losing badly,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.). “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

Conrad, you are so blind you cannot see the trees through the forest. I'm going to be the mature one here and not resort to name calling. The FACTS can be skewed any way you want. I'm not gonna waste my time with you any more . . . live in your land of YOUR reality.

And this from Fox (sorry if you already saw this)-

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

Conrad: "I refrained from calling you a Tea Partier, but it seems very possible."

I'm damned proud to consider myself to be part of the TEA party. Of course, you know that there is no such thing as a TEA party. It's pretty much of an unorganized group of American citizens.

"Give me liberty or give me death." Patrick Henry

Mr. Barbieri, please accept my apologies for not responding to your posts from earlier this morning yet. I attend the Limbaugh Institute of Advanced Conservatives Studies every day from 11 to 2 and then a took a good long nap after I finished listening to the Limbaugh lecture. I'll get back to you shortly on your comments.

Forest Barbieri: "As a former Army Special Forces Officer, I resent your comment about screw America!"

Resent away if you wish. Benedict Arnold was, in part, responsible for General Horatio Gates' victory over the British Army at Saratoga in 1777. (And I didn't even have to look that up on Google-still remember learning about the Battle of Saratoga from my 8th grade history teacher 45 years ago.) Does Benedict Arnold's part in the victory at Saratoga excuse Arnold's later treasonous conduct? I think not.
Mr. Barbieri, this is not to compare you in any way with Benedict Arnold, but I hope you get my point.

Simply because you were a Special Forces Officer when you were younger does not make you a saint for the rest of your life, irrespective of your conduct after you left the Special Forces. You will be judged as an American citizen on your entire body of work, not just a few years of your life.

Conrad: "I'm disgusted by how clueless you Republicans are."

Just three weeks ago, Conrad claimed to be a moderate Republican. Poseur.

Forest Barbieri: "As to equities, incredible gains and wealth has been created in the last couple of years as stocks have come off of their crises lows and moved into a more traditional trading range. Indeed, some have soared to amazing heights. In addition, market movements have created opportunity."

Market movements have created opportunity-yes, for traders. But most small investors are not traders. What the stock market has generated for small investors is large losses. Once again, the return on the S&P 500 over the last 12 years or so is less than 0 percent when inflation is considered. So small investors have lost principal if they invested in the S&P 500. Of course, it's possible after the fact to say that small investors could have made a fortune if they had only been smart enough to invest properly. Hindsight is perfect.

At present, the return on certificate of deposits is close to zero (thanks to the Federal Reserve), while inflation roars. In real terms, small investors are taking another big haircut to bail somebody else out.

The US Government bailed out Goldman Sachs and other large institutions that took risks and incurred big losses, while Main Street didn't get any bail-outs. In fact, the little people on Main Street are the ones who bailed out the large investors.

If it hadn't been for the bail-outs, Goldman Sachs would be belly-up and all those hot shots at Goldman would be living in the street or a homeless shelter.

Forstest Barbieri: "Unemployment continues to be an issue at 8.3% but is below the 9+% over the last couple of years. There is no magic wand or quick fix for this. It is about the economy (as well as some Macro issues), and it is slowly and cautiously improving."

The official Government unemployment rate is 8.3 percent, but everybody knows that that's a made up statistic. The 8.3 percent rate doesn't include people who have simply given up trying to find a job. The 8.3 percent rate also doesn't include highly skilled workers who are either under-employed or who are employed in jobs for which they are highly over-qualified for, for example, engineers who are working delivering pizzas. (If I recall correctly, the Dems used to call those jobs "burger-flipper jobs" when GWB was the president.)

Government employment statistics indicate that roughly one-half of those who have graduated from college in the last 5 years are unemployed. Yep, 50 percent of recent college graduates don't have jobs.

The actual unemployment/under-employment rate is around 15 percent. Imagine 15 percent of workers being unemployed, not just for a short time, but extended periods of time-some even for 4 years. That's called a Depression.

The 8.3 percent unemployment rate is nothing but U.S. Government propaganda. Either you've bought into the propaganda (i.e., you are a dupe) or you are assisting the Government in spreading the propaganda. My guess is that Mr. Barbieri is the latter.

Conrad: "Mr Schulte, you're much too bitter and unreasonable to have a real debate with."

Bitter or honest? I actually know what I'm talking about and so, of course, you'd rather find some dummy you can beat up on to feed your ego.

"Don't retreat. Reload." Sarah Palin

It's really interesting that not any of you have commented about Ryan's lies from last night or any of the fact-checked Romney lies throughout his campaign.

Just Sayin' -- Thanks for proving my point!!!!! Over and out.

In case you're not sure where to look, here are a few you might try-

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-30/paul-ryan-s-hypocritical-attack-on-barack-obama.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/30/paul-ryans-speech-audacious-untruths

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2012/08/29/paul-ryan-repeats-auto-bailout-medicare-lies

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/paul-ryan-and-the-post-truth-convention-speech/261775/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/paul-ryans-dishonest-speech/2012/08/30/16bb62d8-f24f-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/paul-ryans-large-lies-and-one-big-truth.html

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/

http://www.politicususa.com/5-biggest-lies-paul-ryans-rnc-acceptance-speech.html

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-convention-speech-12188956

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106730/ryan-most-dishonest-convention-speech-five-lies-gm-medicare-deficit-medicaid

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/30/michael-tomasky-on-paul-ryan-s-convention-speech-and-his-web-of-lies.html

And of course-

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252BejeYA

"Well SuzyQ...you CONservatives are just that...racist...haters...certifiable...and dumb as freaking dirt...so...go ahead write your book. Give us something else to pity and laugh at. Be sure to get those insufferable idiots Rush and Palin to write the fly leaf endorsments. That would be the PERFECT CHERRY on top. SuzyQ. Numbskull."

I don't know about SuzyQ, but I consider being called "...haters...certifiable...and dumb as freaking dirt" as compliments. Thank you.

It's a shame that some people are so afraid of the truth. Show them blatant falsehoods and they still find ways to deny.

"Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) claimed during his convention speech Wednesday that President Obama is responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin. However, as many media outlets have noted, GM announced plans to close the plant in June ’08 — long before Obama was even elected — and it ceased major operations in December of that year.
For proof, just ask one of the more prominent supporters of the Janesville plant shutdown — the George W. Bush Administration. After all, the closure was part of a broader GM restructuring initiative that the then-President supported. White House Press Secretary Dana Perino even praised it as evidence of GM “adapting well:”
The White House called the announcement a sign that the auto giant was “adapting well” to market shifts.
“It’s a sign that Detroit continues to adapt and evolve and address the change in consumer tastes and attitudes. And I think that they’re adapting well,” spokeswoman Dana Perino said."

Mr. Schulte, where pray-tell did I call you dumb as dirt? Once again you are painting everyone with one broad paintbrush.

And why should I accept your biased sources? I see you cannot stomach "faux" news' facts, yet I (we) should accept and bow to your sources?

You are a nasty man. Yes, there I said something mean about you!

Sully, Pres Obama, in 2008 said that GM plant would be there for another 100 years. Yes, that plant is still there, but it is shuttered closed, awaiting an uptake in the demand for those vehicles. So, depending on how you look at it, both sides are right.

I sure would like to see someone comment on direct quotes that contradict what they think is true. How can providing direct quotes be construed as spreading falsehoods?

So we end up in an argument about semantics and ignore the larger issues.
And you wonder why America is sliding past Great Britain as part of the "has been" super powers?

Why don't we take all this pent up energy and creativity and solve the problems we face???? There are a few...

And if we are all as smart as we think we are, maybe we can solve the problems. Certainly the folks we pay big bucks to solve the problems either don't know how or simply refuse to solve them....too busy kicking the can down the road so our kids and grand kids get to pay for our foolishness. Nice!

The plant WAS closed after Obama became president. He campaigned there and the announcement to close the plant had already been made. GM said they would continue to operate the plant until 2010. They were closing the plant because they were shifting from gas guzzling SUVs to more fuel efficient cars. They were also closing the plant because Bush hesitated on the auto bailout.

They continued to run the plant with a skeleton crew after most of the folks had been laid off. Winding down a big operation like that takes time. You don't simply shut off the lights and go home. People continue to work there for some time.

it goes back to this. We are arguing about semantics and no one listens to anyone else....before they seek first to understand, then to be understood, they blurt out some insult and sling some meaningless half truth....sounds just like Washington DC only we have better bratwurst here.

and on the 250th post, the topic incredibly changes to "did VP nominee Ryan lie about the Janesville GM plant closing in his RNC speech?"---the bottom line is some believe what they want to believe---see what they want to see---and fall for their favorite political pundit's spin as it fits their political beliefs and agenda---the truth is Ryan would be wrong to insinuate Obama was at fault or lied to anyone regarding the Janesville plant closing, but the allegation from Ryan's speech has been misinterpreted---it's all politics folks---and it ain't pretty---get used to it---the ugliness has just begun---and we all lose because of it---http://www.freep.com/article/20120830/NEWS15/120830035/Shuttered-GM-plant-finds-itself-Republican-convention-spotlight

How can anyone listen to Limbaugh and believe him. He is not even worth commenting on....besides...how can a guy named Rush have such a slow metabolism?

And you are speaking of what you have heard on Rush's show, Gregg, or just from what you've heard from others? Oh wait, I bet you have a link from some fact-finding Internet source about him! Once again, you all are OFF THE POLL TOPIC!

You're right Just Sayin'---I bow to your uber intelligence and superior debating skills. Cripes,, why did I waste my time or yours? But, before I throw in the towel, just wanted you to know that I am not a conservative.

A billboard in Democrat Massachusetts:

"One shows a little girl raising her middle finger next to the message:

“Thanks Obama. You’ve spent my lunch money, my allowance, my inheritance, 35 years of future paychecks and my retirement. You Jerk. Vote Mitt Romney For 2012!” "

Source: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/08/30/anti-obama-billboards-the-talk-of-hanson/

Now that's one smart young lady.

“You know there’s something wrong with the kind of job he’s done as president when the best feeling you had was the day you voted for him.”

President Mitt Romney

(Sorry, but the election is already over; Romney wins in a landslide)

A good education is the key to breaking the cycle of poverty and that's why the Louisiana Federation of Teachers is attacking efforts to improve the education of children of black folks in Louisiana.

You've got to keep them dumb to keep them on the Democrat Plantation.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/louisiana_teachers_union_calls_black_school_choice_group_pro-kkk.html

When will black folks figure out that Democrats are not their friends, but their enemies?

OMG:

"According to the survey by Public Policy Polling, Mrs. McCaskill has support from 45 percent of likely Missouri voters compared with 44 percent for Mr. Akin, a result that differs strongly from polls conducted last week by other firms."

Source: Poll: Akin-McCaskill race still a tossup - Washington Times

Chalk up another Repubican victory in the "Show Me" state. Guess that means that Obamacare is history.

Senator Marco Rubio (R-Florida):

"Our problem with President Obama isn't that he's a bad person. By all accounts, he too is a good husband, and a good father — and thanks to lots of practice, a pretty good golfer.

Our problem is he's a bad president."

President-elect Mitt Romney:

"More pragmatic than poetic, Romney boiled his vision down to a single word: jobs. “Lots of jobs.”

“I am running for president to help create a better future,” Romney said. “A future where everyone who wants a job can find one. Where no senior fears for the security of their retirement. An America where every parent knows that their child will get an education that leads them to a good job and a bright horizon.” "

Source: http://nationaljournal.com/2012-election/mitt-romney-takes-it-to-mr-hope-and-change-20120830

Jobs Obama. Where are the jobs Barack?

Thank God the cavalry is coming to save America from Obama.

“President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family,” Mitt Romney

“In every state where there has been a reform minded Republican governor, from New Jersey to Nevada to New Mexico, every place that has happened; guess what? Taxes have gone down, deficits have been reduced, budgets have been balanced, and unemployment has gone down,” she said. “In those states where Democratic governors the opposite, Illinois gets its credit rating reduced, its budget deficits continue to skyrocket. California is in terrible shape, we have a state government in California that is reduced to worrying about the stock price of Facebook in order to close their budget deficit. Of course it is the wrong thing to do, to raise taxes."

Newsmax.com: NMX: Carly Fiorina: Four More Years of Obama Will Devastate Small Businesses

Facts are facts. States with Republican governors are doing better than states with Democrat governors. California and Illinois are states that are fiscal disasters.

Splitting hairs on Ryan's speech is all libs have left to do. The fact of the matter is that the plant closed after Obama was sworn in, and there are 3 million jobs that the U2 index has eliminated from our economy, meaning there have been several other plants that have closed after his stimulus was proposed to fix. He is out of ideas, out of time, as the Keynesian model fails again.

Back to Rep. Akin for an enjoyable minute:

http://news.yahoo.com/akin-camp-angered-roves-reported-murder-quip-164648794.html

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You know what would be useful? A reality check for Sandra, then she would understand she is not rational.

THOU SHALL NOT KILL American embryos and fetuses; but, Vietnamese, Iraqi and Afghan babies and children are fair game.

Hey girlfriend, recent Carville and other data gives for the first time a glimpse at internal polling. The results show this election is over by a landslide, which easily shows why these loony left reporters are making strange reaches of accusations of racism, as to save face for their investment in Obama.

Easy does it there Rich. You're foaming at the mouth again

Americans don't want the same thing for the next four years! That's why Akins will win. Missourians do forgive when asked. Romney will win by landslide nation-wide. Now go cry you liberals!

Bozo: "Okay Bozo. "dumber than a box of rocks" is not equivalent to "dumb as freaking dirt" how? Youre the ultimate hypocrite Mr. Schulte. You prove it regularly."

Actually, I have no objection to being called a "racist", "hater", "certifiable" or any other insult you want to hurl at me. I'm also quite honored to have earned your "ultimate hypocrite" award. I'm hoping that award comes with a certificate so I can hang it on the wall next to the compter. Thank you for the laugh Bozo.

You can tell how desparate these people are getting about the election. I guess they think that if they hurl enough insults that that will get them enough votes to turn the Romney landslide tide away. Just a little over 60 days left liberals and then it'll all be over, exept for the liberals whining.

The liberals/progressives (marxists) had their chance to convince the American people that their ideas were superior and their ideas came crashing down on their heads. Oh well, failure is not so bad. You'll get another chance in about 30 years or so when everybody who is old enough to remember America's national nighmare, Obama, is dead or senile.

My condolences liberals/progressives (marxist), but you lost the 2012 election on election night 2008 when Obama spoke in Grant Park. Hope and Change just didn't work out.

But you call for those who use these words against you or those you agree with to be banned. Surely you can't even make yourself believe that excuse is valid. If you do, that fantasy world of yours is pretty far gone. Mr. Schulte, preach to your choir. If you really care so little about the same folks on this planet, you don't need to keep trying to convince us of something that's not real.

OMG. Rasmussen-September 1, 2012:

Romney: 47%
Obama: 44%

Nevada: Obama 50% / Romney 45% (Obama +5%)
Colorado: Obama 47% / Romney 47% (Even)
Missouri: Obama 47% / Romney 46% (Obama +1%)
Iowa: Romney 46% / Obama 44% (Romney +2%)
Wisconsin: Romney 48% / Obama 47% (Romney +1%)
Michigan: Obama 48% / Romney 42% (Obama +6%)
Ohio: Romney 45% / Obama 45% (Even)
Pennsylvania: Obama 48% / Romney 44% (Obama +4%)
Florida: Romney 45% / Obama 43% (Romney +2%)
North Carolina: Romney 49% / Obama 44% (Romney +5%)
Virginia: Romney 47% / Obama 47% (Even)

It's all over folks. America knows that Obama is a "miserable failure". The Obama Depression ends in mid-October, 2012, just about 6 weeks from now. Finally, the long "national nighmare" is coming to a close.

A R I T M E T I C

Simplistic
Explanation
Republican
Failure

Simple minds have difficulty spelling. They also get their opinions from cheap political cliches, cause it makes them feel good. Not much depth in the Democrat model, scary that people vote without much else to go on.

Here's some A R I T M E T I C, some 3 to 4 million jobs eliminated from the US economy during Obama's reign, recovery of net jobs under Obama Zero at best, net debt added to US economy 5 trillion + interest. Want to make this net job go to large negative numbers? Raise taxes.